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Poster: Jobygoob Date: Mar 15, 2010 8:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Great Moments In Second Sets of the 1980's

I completely get it, Dire. I agree with you to the extent that this is not anything of any great import and that people are ultimately responsible for their own feelings and reactions. But it's not really fair to judge other people's reactions to words on a screen by simply saying they are just words on a screen, and people shouldn't get so upset. I can only speak for myself when I auggest that however moronic I may be, I have a reaction to this kind of behavior. I find it mean spirited, and bullying, and I've seen it often enough that I felt the need to comment on it.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 15, 2010 9:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Great Moments In Second Sets of the 1980's

Hey JG--for what it's worth, you have discussed this all very rationally to my way of thinking...Yep, CLIFF, by his own admission, enjoys pushing people's buttons...now, frankly, I probably "dis-enjoy" the 80s more than him, and I suppose I refrain from commenting on it regularly (though you all "know it") because it would be both redundant, and off-putting to some, esp newbies (whom I value--in the sense of adding more perspective).

Now, as for not taking him seriously, or me (when I do, tongue in cheek, say something nasty--esp to, say, Dire), I would echo what Dire and CLIFF rambled on about above--just completely blow it off since it is just a "game" at that point, which you clearly don't see as such, and don't enjoy, etc. (which is perfectly reasonable).

The one post of CLIFF's that bothered me was his comment toward Rich...now, my sense of it is the two of them have some "history", but the profanity directed at someone just for stating "hey, why'd you say that?" was unnecessary, and that's what I thought CLIFF shouldn't do...he acknowledged that, to a degree, in his reply to me, but in the end, I can't sort out whatever bad blood may have passed between two posters that leads to such exchanges, and have come to realize I can chime in now and again, but that's about it...

We all pretty much have to accept one another at some level here, even the trolls, even the ones that push buttons (kid pics of an odd even inappropriate nature? WTF? But, hey, maybe that poster is just doing to CLIFF what CLIFF sees as his "fun with pushing buttons"...dunno) and leave it at that...

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Poster: Jobygoob Date: Mar 15, 2010 9:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Great Moments In Second Sets of the 1980's

I get the game, trust me, I get it, I do the same thing, you can say things among friends that you'd never say to people you don't know. Horrible, inappropriate things, that friends tolerate, enjoy, and think is funny. And one of the great things about being a Deadhead is the feeling like you've got friends all over the world. There's always a line to be crossed though, and to me, it's when you are purposely being cruel for the simple pleasure(?) of fucking with strangers and provoking a reaction. It may be entertaining to a few, but it's got nothing to do with second sets in the 80s, and like you said it's ground that's been covered ad nauseum here.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 15, 2010 9:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Great Moments In Second Sets of the 1980's

and i agree with you to some extant also. I just found myself being a bit hypocritical of Cliff, when i at times do the same thing just to get a rise out of people. not sure I would call it bullying, but i understand your position on the matter.

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Poster: Jobygoob Date: Mar 15, 2010 9:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Great Moments In Second Sets of the 1980's

I know when I sit back and think about it, that it's totally ridiculous that I get upset when some stranger posts a cartoon of a person vomiting blood on a thread about a show I saw and loved, or some other stranger describes Jerry's singing voice as someone gargling carpet tacks and broken glass. It's crazy, but I hate it and it's not the kind of behavior I expect from a GD forum. But most expectations are bullshit anyway. I also understand that this forum is full of by far the most intelligent, insightful commentary on the Dead and their music I have ever come across in my years surfing the web. The kind of openness and honesty that is inspired by an unmoderrated forum, is totally worth the BS I often come across as well.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Mar 15, 2010 9:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Great Moments In Second Sets of the 1980's

As with many other things a grain of salt goes a long way.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 15, 2010 10:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Great Moments In Second Sets of the 1980's

well said JG!

peace

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Poster: high flow Date: Mar 15, 2010 11:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Great Moments In Second Sets of the 1980's

This thread is tiresome.

My son, who is 4, is told "keep your hands to yourself" and "be nice to your sister" on a daily basis. Yet, he just loves to antagonize and continues until I drop the "Go to your room" hammer. Then he cries and says, "but I'll be nice now!".

Thus, I don't need this from alleged grown-ups at a GD forum.

I'll take Cliff's advice and stop reading his posts regarding the '80's. Then I'll lick my finger and stick it in his ear while he's sleeping in the car. Wet Willy!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 15, 2010 12:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Good dads and bad dads

Not when you two are riding in the back seat of my car you won't...cause that metal restraining device installed across the back seat the 17th time one of you shouted "he's touching me!" keeps the both of you entirely incapable of doing much of anything except filling your pampers (sorry, somebody else brought it up).

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 15, 2010 1:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Good dads and bad dads

Pamper-filling and bringing it up sounds disturbingly like the ignominious Twin Jets of Overindulgence.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 15, 2010 3:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Good dads and bad dads

lmao!!!


(disturbing indeed)

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Poster: high flow Date: Mar 15, 2010 1:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Good dads and bad dads

For the record it's, "he's looking at me again!".

That one always gets the, "I'll pull this car(or carp in Cliff's case) over" response.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 15, 2010 1:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Good dads and bad dads

Or "If I HAVE to pull this car over, YOU WILL BE SORRY!"

On the other hand, I can now just turn up the volume on 12-29-68, and that, as they say, is IT!

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 15, 2010 11:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Great Moments In Second Sets of the 1980's

go with the flow!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 15, 2010 11:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Great Moments In Second Sets of the 1980's

a years supply of Alfuzosin for all!!!!

;)

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Poster: rastamon Date: Mar 15, 2010 11:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Great Moments In Second Sets of the 1980's

will it give me a +4hr hard-on? took some of that stuff once, and the lady cut the phone lines :)

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 15, 2010 12:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Great Moments In Second Sets of the 1980's

no, but you just may pee for about 4 hours

;)

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 15, 2010 11:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Great Moments In Second Sets of the 1980's

"This thread is tiresome."

As is my despair when I gaze upon my team after the fantasy baseball draft last evening.

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Poster: high flow Date: Mar 15, 2010 11:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Great Moments In Second Sets of the 1980's

Right there with you D.

Auto Draft sucks! Where are my closers??? Crud.

Honestly, I had to restrain myself from making a poop joke. Your poster-boy for adult immaturity is right here.

I think my resume' speaks for itself.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 15, 2010 12:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Great Moments In Second Sets of the 1980's

i think i ended up with about 4 closers (dont know how even though I was picking them myself)

maybe a trade can be in the works in the near future :)

(immaturity is my middle name - or, if you ask my wife, maybe even my first name)

;)

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Poster: rastamon Date: Mar 15, 2010 11:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Great Moments In Second Sets of the 1980's

well, as i see it, a grate many here took a LOT of drugs in the past, so all things considered, we are doin jest fine!

Imature? I'm at the head of that line - haha

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Mar 15, 2010 9:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Great Moments In Second Sets of the 1980's

I completely agree!

How facinating that we can have attended the very same shows but come away with comepletely different opinions about the music that was performed...

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 15, 2010 9:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Great Moments In Second Sets of the 1980's

Cliff:

I have a question, which you've probably answered before. Did you think the shows sucked then or only after listening later and comparing to your preferences now? I ask because while I went to some real clunkers, I thought many of the shows I saw at the time were really damn good (7-13-84 and 7-15-84, the MSG "La Bamba/Morning Dew" show, etc). However, I never choose to relive those shows over other things - but occasionally revisit if its an anniversary or someone posts the link in talking about it. For me, those shows only started to dim after I got a daily earful of great shows from the late 60s through mid 70s. Same with you - or did you know then?

Of course, Im listening to Ryan Adams and the Cardinals right now, so what do I know? Just curious (and still shaking my head in disbelief at tourney seedings...)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 15, 2010 12:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Great Moments In Second Sets of the 1980's

Hey BD--I think I've answered before too, but what the Hell...I did think that the 75 shows were great...the others, I often had highlights, when I said "whhooo! what a great M&MU!" (amazing, eh?) but often had a nagging feeling, esp if I brought someone to "show them the stuff!", that it wasn't as good as it should've been...

Now, as JOTS and I spoke of, I still loved going with the friends and all that, so there was little regret...but, I'd sometimes sell my ticket for later shows in the week long run or whatever, so I suppose that proves something was wrong with me then, huh? If I had something really great to do, I'd opt out if you follow...

Nowadays it's so different--I go with my wife, and if it isn't a good show, I know it right then and there...no drugs, not much of anything, so it has to be good...hmmm, hope the wife isn't reading this, but you get the idea. The biggest thought in my mind is "how can I sit in this frickin chair for three hrs!!??" and "I should have brought my drugs!?!".

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Mar 15, 2010 12:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Great Moments In Second Sets of the 1980's

I enjoyed virtually all of the nearly 100 shows that I attended between '79 and '90.

And I did like the music although, even then I preffered the old shows that I had on cassette.

Its only since discovering LMA in 2005 that I have come to loathe the 80's...

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Poster: vapors Date: Mar 15, 2010 9:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Great Moments In Second Sets of the 1980's

Good to see you working it out better. I had similar reactions in the past and after a few attempts to say my peace, I too realized we can take away a lot here once we recognize the pitfalls for what they are. Some folks idea of fun (and what makes for good music) may be different than mine, but it seems that ‘whining’ about it rarely leads to a feeling of ‘winning’. peace